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FLDS meet with Coalition

It was recently brought to our attention that the FLDS met with the polygamy coalition.  Here is some information about it.

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See what Brooke Adams has to say.

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If you are interested, you can sign a petition asking for the impeachment of Judge Walther.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/19682.html

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Please read Brooke Adam’s article about this.

I’m glad the 3rd Court of Appeals was able to see the situation with reason and clarity.  We have been asking all along, “Where is the proof?”  And guess what?  There was none.

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This is an intersting bit of information by Dr. John Walsh. I especially like #1.
Press Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT:
Name: Dr. John Walsh
Address: 2519 Branch View Lane Missouri City, Texas 77459
Phone: 281-403-3032
LDS AND FLDS VERY SIMILAR IN BELIEF AND PRACTICE
MISSOURI CITY, TEXAS 05 May 2008 Dr. John Walsh would like to correct errors in numerous media reports about divergences between the FLDS and the mainstream LDS (Mormon) Church.
Based on Dr. Walsh’s research, the LDS and FLDS share about 95% common theology and 75% common practice. The major differences in practice arise from the FLDS refusal to evolve from 19th century Mormon origins.
Here are some examples of false statements found in the Media:
1. “The FLDS are not Mormon.”
Correction: A Mormon is someone who believes that Joseph Smith was the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, and who also believes that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. The FLDS meet these criteria, and are therefore Mormons.
2. “The FLDS were never part of the LDS Church.”
Correction: The founders of Mormon fundamentalism, from which the FLDS emerged, were members of the LDS Church who left the organization over differences in the limits of priesthood authority in the 1930s. In the early 1900s, the LDS Church developed a new policy insisting that the President of the Church had the divine authority to either command polygamy or restrict its practice. The FLDS insisted upon the older policy that stated whether to practice polygamy or not was a personal matter between an individual and God. It should be noted that the last two leaders of the FLDS, Rulon Jeffs and his son Warren, adopted a more authoritarian approach to priesthood authority than the ideology originally espoused by the FLDS.
3. “The FLDS don’t practice what the LDS practice.”
Correction: FLDS and LDS worship services are very similar in format. They use almost exactly the same ritual. FLDS and LDS worship services are closer to each other in almost all respects than either of them is to the practices of any other religion, denomination, or sect. The FLDS use the temple rituals from the 1800s, while the LDS have modernized them. The FLDS use religious garments approved by Joseph Smith, while the LDS have updated their garments to allow the wearing of modern clothing.
4. “The LDS Church has renounced polygamy. Anyone who believes in polygamy is ex-communicated. The LDS believes in the family unit of one man, one woman and their children.”
Correction: Polygamy is still an essential doctrine in LDS theology and is still practiced in certain forms by members of the LDS Church. While the LDS Church does not presently allow members to have more than one living spouse, the Church does allow widowers to marry again for “time and all eternity” if they so desire. For example, two current apostles, Russell M. Nelson and Dallin H. Oaks, have both married a second wife for eternity. Apostle Oaks has told LDS Church members that he expects to continue marriages with both women simultaneously in heaven, and thus, according to LDS theology, he plans to procreate children with both of his wives after the resurrection. Major LDS Church authorities and theologians, such as Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, have stated that the Church will restore the full practice of polygamy after the Second Coming of Christ, if not before.
5. “The FLDS treat women as inferior to men, while the LDS treat women and men as equals.”
Correction: There is no significant difference in the place of women in the LDS Church versus the FLDS. This is because both groups define their gender positions on a common canon of scripture. With both the FLDS and LDS, the place of women depends entirely upon how each household interprets scriptural passages indicating that wives should be subordinate to their husbands. Individuals interpret differently what subordination means. With both groups, you can find women who feel they are equal to their husbands and also find women who feel they are treated as inferiors.
6. “The LDS Church stopped practicing polygamy in 1890, after the federal government banned it.”
Correction: The LDS Church still secretly practiced polygamy for several decades after the 1890 proclamation. In the early part of the 20th century, there was continual disagreement among LDS leaders as to whether the Church should continue to secretly defy US federal law over what many Mormons considered to be an inviolable religious principle. It was not until 1911, with the excommunication of Apostle John W. Taylor, that Church authorities had a consensus amongst themselves to truly discontinue the practice of polygamy. Even then, the Church did not aggressively excommunicate polygamists until the 1930s, when they began to forcefully pursue a mainstream all-American image in the national consciousness.
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If you’d like more information or to interview Dr. John Walsh, please contact him at 281-403-3032 or e-mail Dr. Walsh at wjwalshphd@comcast. net.

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The FLDS Problem

The following public forum letter was printed in the Salt Lake Tribune on April 30, 2008.

While emotionally appealing, the plea that the Texas FLDS children be returned to their parents fails to answer the question, “What then?” The Short Creek “return policy” has resulted in: the “lost boys,” welfare fraud amounting to billions of dollars, 15-year-old girls exercising “free will” to marry 50-year-old men (please!), and women “reassigned” to new husbands outside the bounds of secular law. Which action presents the greater evil?

Nature provides a near 50/50 ratio of female to male, yet in the Texas compound there are four women to every man. Someone is being short-changed. Being expelled from the community, the “lost boys” find themselves unprepared to fend in normal society. These expulsions warrant jail time for the responsible authority and for the parents. How many men can afford to clothe, feed, house and educate 30 children? Polygamy is not only against the law, but by depending upon government welfare for its survival, it crosses the boundary of church and state. Yes, the Texas incident seems harsh, but something harsh is needed, similarly in Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff should do more than close one eye.
F.T. Gardiner Provo



According to F.T. Gardiner, FLDS welfare fraud amouts to “billions of dollors.” Billions? That is a figure I find extremely hard to believe.

What are your thoughts on this letter?

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Latter-Day Taint

Jacob Sullum posted this very interesting article on TownHall.com.

I’m not quite as old-fashioned as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS), which hews to the early-marriage customs of the 19th century and the polygamous practices of biblical times. But I’m old-fashioned enough to believe the government needs a good reason to pull a crying, clinging child away from her mother and hand her over to the care of strangers.

The possibility that the child might marry an older man 10, 12 or 14 years from now does not cut it. Citing that long-term, speculative danger to justify the certain, immediate damage it has done by forcibly separating hundreds of children from their parents, the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services has violated its duty to take such extreme measures only when there’s no other way to prevent imminent harm.

Here is the link for the rest of the article: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2008/04/30/latter-day_taint?page=full&comments=true

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